Okay so I got a Origin 8 Gary bar last year for my Touring bike. I liked it so much I got another one for my San Jose. After much thought I finally decided to loose the carbon Fsa Kwing on my cross bike and "upgrade" to dirt drops for it also. So yesterdays metric was the test ride for that. Good choice! the metal bars feel alot more stable than the carbon and I like the control I have with the slightly wider drop position. I can tell the difference in the amount of shock and road noise that get to my hands on the gravel but not a bid deal.